>That includes step 3 – to make “a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him” and step 11 – to seek “through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him”.
>The Lord’s Prayer, a Christian devotion, usually closes a meeting.
That’s pretty fucking religious my dudes.
>While AA maintains it is spiritual and not religious, cases in both the US and Canada have centred on whether the programme is incompatible for atheists and those whose faith could be seen as inconsistent with its vision.
See if you read the article it does say he offered to attend an alternative programme.
They should be referring to better evidence-based programs anyway. The emphasis on quit dates and clean time is counterproductive to those coping with relapse. A person who has relapsed after years of successfully abstaining is shamed and made to feel ruined, rather than drawing on the demonstrable success of those years.
The higher power ideology of Alcoholics Anonymous is a turn off to many people. I wish the group could go back to its roots of using psychedelics like LSD 🙂
I sympathize. Quit drinking completely on my own because after a bunch of research I couldn’t find any good programs nearby that weren’t religiously affiliated. It’s bonkers to me that AA could be mandated by anybody like an employer or court. It’s very explicitly a Christian program. Wish there were more programs out there for people who want help and don’t want to go to a church-related group.
It is a religious cult, no doubt. Always boggled my mind how courts can order attendance at meetings.
That being said, much of the discussion at meetings and those surrounding recovery is focused on negotiating the religious bullshit in “The Book”. In 2019 close to nobody can stomach the religious babble. So there’s high attrition. Close to 99%
Even worse is “The Book” was written by some layman with zero physiological background on addiction or scientific methods used when developing the 12 step program.
It’s simply a method for desperate men to replace addiction with a commitment to god. Out dated and defunct. And AA has never had a rate of success higher than 5%.